Mind-Body Synergy: Exploring Therapy, Hypnosis, and Healing

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Dr. Margaret Cochran:

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there are two things

that make the body sick.

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One is inflammation and the other is fear.

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when you're uncertain.

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Ask yourself, what would

I do if I weren't afraid?

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The important things for me and that I

teach people are one, have a gratitude

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practice every single day, twice a day.

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Russell Newton: Hello listeners and

welcome back Our guest today is Dr.

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Margaret Cochran and Dr.

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Cochran, please introduce yourself.

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Dr. Margaret Cochran:

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Well, professionally, I'm Dr.

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Margaret Cochran, AKA, the relationship

doctor across social media.

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have degrees in experience in clinical

social work, clinical psychology, clinical

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hypnosis, metaphysics law, traditional

psychology, transpersonal psychology, and

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wildlife, rehabilitation of all things.

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I've always

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Russell Newton: Hi.

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Dr. Margaret Cochran:

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in medicine with physicians, so that

world is very comfortable to me and

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my professional biases that you cannot

affect the body without affecting

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the mind, and you cannot affect the

mind without affecting the body.

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Russell Newton: there was

a, there was a metaphysics.

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Dr. Margaret Cochran:

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Mm-hmm.

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Russell Newton: tell us what that

is For someone not knowledgeable

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about meta metaphysics.

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Dr. Margaret Cochran:

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There are not degrees available in it.

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So, metaphysics was self-study

for me, I happen to be a big

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fan of traditional physics.

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what most people don't realize is

in the world of traditional physics,

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they're always exploring the beyond

the, the great question, the unknown,

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the whatever that is out there.

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Some people call it god, you

know, the great mystery, whatever.

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And so physics often collides

with metaphysics and metaphysics.

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Meta meaning larger is the idea

that, yeah, there's something big

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out there and we don't quite get it.

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Russell Newton: can you tell us a little

bit about your school of thought for

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therapy, what your primary approach is,

and what a person might expect if they

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were going into therapy with you or with

another psychotherapist or, or counselor.

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Dr. Margaret Cochran:

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Well, I don't know if

I can speak for others.

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I'm a little

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Russell Newton: Not broadly, right.

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Dr. Margaret Cochran:

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as the saying goes outstanding

in my field, right.

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I'm a little different.

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but one of the, the main things I ask

people about is what are you afraid of?

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Because there are two things

that make the body sick.

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One is inflammation and the other is fear.

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And fear frequently

precipitates inflammation.

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And inflammation frequently

makes fear worse.

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So they work together hand in hand.

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So I do energy psychology with

people to reduce inflammation.

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And then, I will just ask him,

tell me like, like this man.

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I said, what, what are you afraid of?

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And so immediately he, it, it, it, it

gave him a door to walk through to say,

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I'm afraid, I dunno how to be myself.

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I, I'm afraid I don't

know who I am, afraid.

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I don't know how to love.

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I mean, those were not things

he knew how to explore before.

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Absolutely never think to.

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But once we laid out all those

fears, I'd say, okay, pick one.

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Where do you wanna start?

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And then he would choose whatever he

wanted to do and we'd go down that road.

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For the most part, people are

troubled about relationship, which

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is why I'm the relationship doctor.

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It's either relationship with yourself

or relationship with others, but they're

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both vitally important in your life.

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Russell Newton: Are they closely related,

the, the concept of hypnotherapy and

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some of the work that we're doing and,

and we, as we talk about metaphysics

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or is it, just not along those lines.

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Dr. Margaret Cochran:

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Well, you know what it is,

it's really about our, our

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brain is back to brains again.

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Our brain is a, is a giant, switchboard

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Russell Newton: Okay.

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Dr. Margaret Cochran:

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it allows the body to

function the way it does.

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And it is very closely

connected to circuits in the gut

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Russell Newton: Right,

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Dr. Margaret Cochran:

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the heart.

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And there is constant interplay

and conversation between

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those parts of ourselves.

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And so, we can have injury.

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for example, if you have a a,

a big surgery, often people

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are very depressed after that.

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or, or you'll have a baby and,

and you have postpartum, right?

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So you're,

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Russell Newton: right.

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Dr. Margaret Cochran:

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experience, affects everything

that goes on about the way you

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think and feel and react to things.

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It's really important to know that.

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So if you, you, you can use hypnosis

to help regulate some of those things.

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And, well, like, you

know, I, I do hypnosis.

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I control your blood pressure,

your breathing, your sense of

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pain, all that kind of stuff.

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And in fact, I was doing, I was

doing a surgery and this guy, he

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was a police officer and someone

had, ugh, shot off his kneecap.

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was awful.

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So we were, we were doing a pat

ectomy and putting in a new joint.

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So I'm like keeping him.

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I am and we, and we always have a

chemical anesthesia anesthesiologist on

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standby in case there's an emergency.

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So anyway, I'm talking to the guy in

his ear, I'm saying, oh yeah, everyone's

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laughing because you're doing so well.

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And they're telling jokes 'cause the

surgery's going well, and your body's so

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relaxed, you're already started healing.

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It's already beginning.

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New cells are formed.

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I'm doing all my thing.

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Right?

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All of a sudden the surgeon says, stop.

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Okay.

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thought, God, what have I done?

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He said, I, I said, is

everything okay down there?

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of course I have a drape up here.

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I don't see him.

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says, getting very relaxed and I just

needed you to stop for a minute refocus.

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And yeah, many people will say,

well, you know, I'm not hypnotizable

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or I'm, I've never been hypnotized.

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But in fact, I guarantee you, you have.

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And here's a common example.

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Have you ever been in the car?

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And it's rainy a little bit and

the windshield wipers are on.

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And they're going back and forth and

back and forth, and all of a sudden

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it's your destination and you don't

really remember how you got there.

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That's a level one trance.

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Now, of course, obviously there are

deeper trances if I'm gonna control

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your perception of pain, right?

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That's not a level one trance, but,

everyone has been in that, or, or maybe

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you've had a time when you just found

yourself staring and just kinda shut down.

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That's, that's a little

trance right there.

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So if you yourself in trance,

you can remember things.

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you can also, help you relax and

change the way you respond to an

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injury or a trauma, when you come

to full waking consciousness again.

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I mean, there's all kinds of things

that you can do with it if it's

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done well in the right hands.

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Russell Newton: So, you know, you

say a, a level one trance or which

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we've experienced and haven't, maybe

haven't recognized, but probably

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everyone has had that occur.

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Like I said, it's a great example

with the, the windshield wipers.

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When I was taking driver's ed way back

when, they called it highway hypnosis.

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I dunno if that's still the same term,

but when you're driving for many miles,

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Dr. Margaret Cochran:

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Yep.

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Russell Newton: it, it is easy to, To

come out of full alertness, but really

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what you're referring to is not so much

that because what are you, are you letting

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your prefrontal cortex just take control

of the obvious mechanics of keeping the

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car in the lane and then the rest of your

brain or other parts of your brain are

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able to take over what's happening there?

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Dr. Margaret Cochran:

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actually, once you're hypothalamus,

you're kind of, it's muscle memory.

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You're just driving with muscle memory.

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And you have, and one of the things

I talk about when I use hypnosis with

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people is you can come to full waking

consciousness anytime you want to.

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So you don't need to be concerned

wherever we're going that

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you're gonna be stuck there.

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'cause a lot of people are

scared, well, if there's a

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fire, what if something happens?

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You know?

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And I reassure them, Nope, you come to

full waking consciousness like that.

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Don't worry about it.

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Right now though, maybe you'd just like

to listen to my voice and follow along

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and we'll take a journey together.

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Russell Newton: Tell us where you would

have a person practice self anchoring,

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if that's something you're, you, you've

described or prescribed for other people.

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What it does when you

would use it, what it is.

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Just for those of our listeners that

might not be familiar with anchoring

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of, of, you know, the, the personal

concept of anchoring like that.

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Dr. Margaret Cochran:

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Well, one of the things, is, let's

take, let's take someone who has

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been doing, compulsive eating.

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Russell Newton: Great.

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Dr. Margaret Cochran:

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And unfortunately in my profession,

we do not see that as a disorder.

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Russell Newton: It's just a weakness.

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I can't control my appetite.

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Dr. Margaret Cochran:

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But it's no different

than any other addiction.

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Russell Newton: Right,

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Dr. Margaret Cochran:

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exactly the same.

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So, I, I would take that person and,

and help them, encourage them to develop

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a little anchor about, okay, so when

I have the urge to eat, not that I'm

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hungry, but I just have the urge to

eat that I'll, my thumb and forefinger

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together and just sit and sit sit sit.

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then you do that for a period of time,

usually I'll, I'll set, you know, like,

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to two minutes, something like that.

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you still want to eat because

you're hungry, go eat.

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But in most cases, they're not hungry.

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And

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Russell Newton: right.

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Dr. Margaret Cochran:

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anchor them.

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Huh?

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Okay, I can relax because a lot of

compulsive behavior, whether it's

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addiction to, porn for example,

or, alcohol or other substances,

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there's not only the physical piece,

but there's also, our hypothalamus

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is, you can't live without this.

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You are going to die.

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If you don't eat right

now, you are going to die.

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If you don't, go masturbate right now.

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You are going to die if you don't do

whatever it is, which isn't true, that

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part of your brain is, is an older part

of your brain and so efficient that

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it can bypass the prefrontal cortex.

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So, no, no thinking is going on.

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Russell Newton: Mm.

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Dr. Margaret Cochran:

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Okay?

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And when that happens, you

know, there's no judgment.

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and, and you, you lose the

ability to problem solve.

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Russell Newton: It's, sorry,

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I'm not conversant enough

with everything to, to keep it

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flowing smoothly in my head.

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The hypothalamus, a term that is, we talk

come across frequently in this, in many

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other areas really, and a lot of reading.

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Is it lizard Brain?

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Is that the hypothalamus?

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Us.

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Dr. Margaret Cochran:

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well that's not quite the,

the lister brain is really more

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about back here your amygdala is.

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That's your limbic system.

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so, remorse is when you feel badly for

doing something, you've, you've done

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something wrong, you've made a mistake.

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Okay?

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Shame implies that you are a mistake.

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You're fundamentally flawed.

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If only you were the

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Russell Newton: Wow.

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Dr. Margaret Cochran:

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of person, you would do this or that.

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So it's a very destructive, horrible word,

and it's just, you gotta get rid of it.

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It's a bad, bad, bad thing.

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However, let's say you've got a kid

and, they got into an argument with

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another kid, which happens all the time.

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And, so you go in and see this

squabble going on and say,

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you know, what's going on?

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And, the, the victim in the

story says, well, he was mean

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to me and he did this and that.

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I said, oh, well, why was he mean to you?

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Well.

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Well, I took his truck.

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Oh, I see.

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Russell Newton: Ah, you got it.

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Dr. Margaret Cochran:

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So then I would say, instead of shame on

you, go over there and say you're sorry.

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I would say, Hmm.

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How do you suppose he feels about that?

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Probably not good.

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Well, how's his face look over there.

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How's he, does he, does

he look happy or sad?

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What do you think?

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He looks kind of sad.

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Okay, well how about we go

over and talk to him about that

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and pretty soon, of course they're

best of friends and that, and

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that's the end of the story.

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But basically what you've

taught that child is a lot about

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compassionate conflict solution.

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Russell Newton: Now that is so strong and

I think I'm, I'm probably interrupting

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you here 'cause I think you had

probably some follow on comments there,

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but I would frequently find myself

saying, you shouldn't have done that.

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Right?

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I took his truck.

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Well, you shouldn't have done that.

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That doesn't mean anything to a child

or to an employee or to a spouse.

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Dr. Margaret Cochran:

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Yeah.

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I'll have to tell you, when I was teaching

years ago, one of the things I loved more

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than anything else, because of course,

you know, you can look up anything,

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you can read a book about anything, but

who you become as a person everything.

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And I had this little girl and I got

her when she was in the second grade.

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She couldn't read a word, could not

read everybody giving up on her.

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And so I realized that instead of

a visual learner or an auditory

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learner, she was what's called

a tactical kinesthetic learner.

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So she had to feel things to learn them.

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we started making all these, three

by five cards, and every time she'd

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learn a new word, we'd write it in

glue and then put glitter on it.

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Russell Newton: Oh, nice.

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Dr. Margaret Cochran:

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she had this,

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Russell Newton: I.

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Dr. Margaret Cochran:

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little box she carried with her

everywhere, with all these words, right?

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So we would play, word games,

and of course, part of teaching

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kids is you teach 'em how to win.

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You teach 'em how to lose, right?

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You do both.

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And so sometimes I would

lose a game very badly.

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I may cry when I tell you the story.

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one day I, I made sure that I lost badly.

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And I said, oh, I didn't

do a good job at all.

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I, I didn't, I don't know my words.

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And I, I did not do a good job at all.

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So she's packing the cards back

in the box and she says, Ms.

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Cochran, worry.

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You can take the carts home this

weekend and practice, and I know

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when you come back on Monday

you'll be able to win the game.

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Oh,

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there I can die happy now.

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Russell Newton: Hmm.

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' Dr. Margaret Cochran:

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cause she can always

learn words and she will.

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She went on to be a

very successful person.

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But it was the empathy, it was the

compassion, it was the reassurance

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you can be successful, which is

the opposite of shame, which is

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there's no way you can be successful.

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What is wrong with you?

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You shouldn't do that

versus, okay, so, Hmm.

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Are you happy with that choice?

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Is it taking you closer to or further

away from where you want to be?

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That's a really important

question to ask yourself all the

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Russell Newton: you're an author, you're

a published author, I believe, and we

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haven't talked about your book at all.

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Can you tell us, about your book

and, or books if you have them?

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Dr. Margaret Cochran:

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Well, there are actually several,

but, my favorite, well one of

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them is what are you afraid of?

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you know, fears, big topic.

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another one is, Nagi and

the Secrets of the Universe.

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And it's about a young man who, won't

do what he loves 'cause he's so afraid

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of failing, that he goes out and

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else in the world.

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And then all of a sudden one day

he realizes, well, this is silly.

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he goes off and pursues his dream.

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And then the last one, which is

my favorite of the three, is,

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Sylvia and the Magic Power Sticks.

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and she lives in a castle with

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her family, and she likes to see

the magic that's all around us.

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And she's always inviting her

family to see the magic with her.

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And they're always saying, Sylvia,

Sylvia, Sylvia, what's to become of you?

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is ridiculous.

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Okay, finally she meets a

lot of magical creatures.

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here's some power sticks.

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These are gonna keep you safe,

but the thing you have to remember

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is you can't other people see

what they're not ready to see.

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So disappears, and Sylvia basically

goes back and tries to get her family

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to see all this wonderful magic, they

still won't do it, but she and her

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other friends and her magic powers

sticks live happily ever after.

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So the point of that is

create our own world.

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We make the world we live in with

our thoughts and our feelings, and

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the things we repeat and the words

that we choose create realities.

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And that is the most powerful thing I

know to tell you other than to give you

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this question when you're uncertain.

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Ask yourself, what would

I do if I weren't afraid?

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And then you'll know exactly what to do.

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Russell Newton: I think you just

answered my, my last question of

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the podcast generally is, what, what

would be a parting, piece of advice

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that you would give and that, that

sounds like, that might have been it.

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let me ask one final question and then

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Dr. Margaret Cochran:

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don't think with your thumb.

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Russell Newton: don't think with your

thumb, yes, that's not, that's a good,

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a reminder, but what we covered already.

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So, Dr.

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Margaret Cochran, the website

is just that dr cochran.com,

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no spaces, no underscores or anything.

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A lot of information there on

the Reese on, what services are

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available, how to contact you, what

else can we find on your website.

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Is there anything else

that we should point out?

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Dr. Margaret Cochran:

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not really, just kind of who

I am, what I do and, and what

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options there are for you.

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I like to, I like to work with people.

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the nice thing about, the internet is that

now I work with people all over the world

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Russell Newton: Oh, do you?

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which is really fun.

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It's so fun.

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And, the other thing is because I use

the title coach, then I'm not limited by,

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you know, like when I, if, if I'm, I'm a

licensed clinical social worker, but I can

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only do that in the bounds of California

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Russell Newton: Right.

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Dr. Margaret Cochran:

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unfortunately we don't have reciprocal

licensing in the United States.

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So you have to get licensed

in each state, which is

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Russell Newton: Each state.

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Dr. Margaret Cochran:

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anyway, that's the rule.

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So, but coaching I can do anywhere.

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Russell Newton: I have a feeling

you, you'd probably meditate, or

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do some mindfulness practices.

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p perhaps you are, have certain physical

activities you do, or, or certain things

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that from day to day in your morning

stack, as we were discussed in a previous

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episode, that you would share with our

listeners that they should consider or

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that have proven efficacy for, for people

in their own self-development process.

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Well, I teach something called Urban

Gorilla Meditation, and I call it

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that because, because it's, most of

us don't have time to sit for an hour,

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an hour and a half, you know, so it's,

it's an abbreviated process, but, The

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important things for me and that I

teach people are one, have a gratitude

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practice every single day, twice a day.

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Go through what you're grateful for.

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And it doesn't necessarily

have to be anything huge.

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It can be your favorite

purple dinosaur socks.

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Just, I'm, I'm so happy and

grateful I have these socks.

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I'm so happy and grateful I

got to be on your podcast.

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I'm so happy and grateful

that you're such a lovely man.

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I'm so happy and grateful for all

the people that we're reaching today.

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You know, that kind of thing.

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Now, what we know, again,

we're back to brains.

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If you practice that over about 28

days, you literally rewire your brain.

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You become more resilient, your sleep

improves, you have more frustration,

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tolerance, lots of good things.

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another one is, my work, my work

is a spiritual practice for me.

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It's about giving back to the

universe, and I consider it a

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sacred honor and a great joy.

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So my work is part of my pleasure.

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And then being with animals, of course,

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Russell Newton: Okay,

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is a great joy.

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and also, absolutely physical exercise

and eating foods that don't have

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names you can't pronounce in 'em.

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Russell Newton: there's

more than five ingredients.

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Don't eat it right?

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Is that what they say?

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Dr. Margaret Cochran:

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Russell Newton: An amazing conversation.

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Dr.

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Cochrane, thank you so much for your time.

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listeners, Dr.

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Margaret Cochrane.

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You can, check out her website at Dr.

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Cochrane, C-O-C-H-R-A-N, dr cochran.com.

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and Dr.

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Margaret, I hope, I, I hope you've

enjoyed this session as much as I have

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because it's been very enlightening.

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There's so many things I

think we could talk about.

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Perhaps we can, have a follow up

episode, after some time has passed

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and, maybe our listeners have some

questions that they want to drop in

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and we can refer to them later on.

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Dr. Margaret Cochran:

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I'd be delighted.

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Thank you so much.

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It was so much

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Russell Newton: Oh, fantastic.

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Fantastic.

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and that wraps up our episode for today.

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Thank you for joining us

and we'll see you next week.